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This topic contains 24 replies, has 6 voices, and was last updated by timothy rendall timothy rendall 3 days, 21 hours ago.

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  • #8177

    Robert Moxom
    Participant

    I have viewed a Hurricane and am interested in buying it.I have never bought a classic bike before and only owned Japanese Austrian Italian and German bikes.From what I can glean of the Hurricane’s history it was imported from the states in 2004 and kept in storage most of the time since.When it sold through Bonhams in 2015 they advised it would need re-commissioning before further use.The recorded mileage does not seem to have changed since then.The dealer is willing to start it up and ride it up the road.If it the engine sounds OK and I can agree a price,would I be wise to take it in a van to say P and M or 3D to have them look it over before riding it ?

    Thanks for your advice,

    Robert, new member.

     

     

     

  • #8178

    Martin Rawson
    Participant

    If you don’t know Triples then you should really take along someone who does before purchase and idaeally Hurricanes.

    Knowing the prices these machines fetch and how costly a triple engine is to repair it makes sense.It’s the least the dealer can do, is to get it running.I would want to know originality of components,has it been validated by club for example, engine oil pressure, compression, burning oil issues/ plug colour etc.

    P&M and Richard Darby at 3D are top people

  • #8179

    Peter Hughes
    Participant

    Corroborate Martin’s comments. Tridents will run at a dealer, sure, but to get them to run properly and reliably takes a lot of painstaking work at the get-go, especially if you don’t really know the bike’s history; they can be delicate. Add to Martin’s list: primary drive, gear selection, sorting out oil leaks, brakes, diverse electrical problems, carburetion; all can be suspect.

    Good idea to take someone along, so at least you know what you’re letting yourself in for (Bonham’s hint here: …need recommissioning before further use). On the positive side, most parts are still readily available and the end-result makes it all worthwhile.

  • #8180

    Robert Moxom
    Participant

    Many thanks Martin and Peter.Is there anyone in the TR3OC who could appraise the bike for me ?It’s a few miles south of Crawley.

    • #8182

      Robert Moxom
      Participant

      Perusing the images on the Bonham’s entry,I noticed the labels on the top of the front forks reads 190cc oil volume whereas the owners’ handbook and other web images show 230cc.

      I did think the stanchion lengths on this bike appeared very slightly short in the pics.Does this suggest it’s fitted with A75 forks rather than Hurricane ?

      There are some images on Verralls website.What do the members with Hurricane knowledge think ?

  • #8190

    Robert Moxom
    Participant

    Just read Craig Vetter’s description of the Hurricane fork length mystery following his visit to Beezumph in 2009.

    The mock up sent to Triumph had normal length Rocket III forks but an additional 1 1/2 inches were added in England.One could therefore argue that the Verrall’s bike is correct and the other 1100 or so Hurricanes are wrong !

     

  • #8191
    timothy rendall
    timothy rendall
    Participant

    I live south of Crawley and am the East Sussex rep for my troubles. I would say it’s a bit like looking at an Egg! it looks OK from the out sideband if you move it around there’s no nasty noises. But ( & there’s always a but) when you get it home and crack it open it’s rotten inside !

    So getting some one to look it over will just be that, a look over. I have done this sort of thing in the past and i don’t mind doing it again, I always say to the prospective buyer that i don’t have “X-RAY EYEs” I could tell you things like it has an oil leek or a worn chain or a noisy primary drive, but i couldn’t tell you what the big ends or the pistons are like.  As for the cycle parts they are very much a special thing to the X75 So you would really need some one who knows all about them to see if the cycle parts are genuine or are fake!

  • #8192

    Robert Moxom
    Participant

    Dear Timothy,

    Very many thanks for the advice and your kind offer.I need to agree a price with the bike’s owner – it’s a commision sale – given that it doesn’t have Hurricane forks.

    If my offer is accepted then I would very much appreciate you being there to give it the once over.I’ll agree a price subject to a satisfactory look and listen.I appreciate the lack of x- ray eyes and won’t blame you if it turns out to be a problem beneath the surface.

    Kind regards

    Robert

  • #8193

    Graham Redrup
    Keymaster

    Hi Robert, have read through your posts on here and as a caution would like to make you aware that not all Triumph Hurricane machines are genuine, there are a number of BSA Rocket 3 machines that have been modified to appear to be a Hurricane. Could this be why the forks appear incorrect length on the one you are looking to purchase, be careful.

  • #8195
    timothy rendall
    timothy rendall
    Participant

    Is there a possibility you could post a photo of the bike so we could look at it ? As graham has said it could be a fake! In the 1980’s i new some one in the club who was actively making assorts of fakes, & very good ones at that too!

  • #8196
    timothy rendall
    timothy rendall
    Participant

    if it’s the one in verrells then i’ve had a look at the photos, ‘shiny’ 🙂

     

  • #8197

    Robert Moxom
    Participant

    <p style=”text-align: left;”>Dear Graham and Tim,</p>
    The Verrall’s bike was sold at Bonham’s auction in April 2015.The pictures are on the internet if you search for Bonhams Triumph Hurricane.The reg no is FWW 961L, frame/engine number KH00212.

    It’s nothing like as shiny looking in the flesh.It has what I take to be a previously unrestored patina.The tank cover has spider web type cracks,pitted chrome,the odd fleck of rust.I think it’s genuine but with Rocket forks.I’m not sure what effect this has on the value.I tried phoning Richard Darby earlier for advice but haven’t been able to speak to him as yet.

    Are decent quality Hurricane stanchions  available ?

    Thanks again for your help.

  • #8262

    Robert Moxom
    Participant

    Does anyone in TR3OC wish to sell their Hurricane ?I noticed in Triple Echo this week that Jeremy Weare has two.You can only ride one bike at a time,Jeremy !

  • #8277
    timothy rendall
    timothy rendall
    Participant

    have you given up on the other one ?

  • #8279

    Robert Moxom
    Participant

    I haven’t given up on the Verrall’s bike but during my search I’ve heard about a possibility of a Hurricane for sale in Spain.I’m waiting to hear.Also keeping an eye  out at the Stafford Show.

    • #8288

      Alan Hesslewood
      Participant

      Hi Robert, Extreme caution is needed with bikes for sale overseas, you really need to see it in the “flesh” or have someone trusted to check for you. There was a Hurricane for sale on the Norton owners club website classifieds about 6 months ago in America at a very tempting price & they would arrange shipping too but it turned out to be a scam. A club member rang a garage near to the address were the bike was registered and luckily someone there knew the family well at that address, there was no bike there! The photos used for that advert recently appeared again for a bike for sale on Ebay. I reported the listing as fraudulent but saw it had 2 bids on it, I hope no one got shafted. I bought mine recently in the UK after looking out for one for a few years, a lot less hassle than buying from abroad so patience may be required.

      Best of luck, Al.

  • #8289

    Robert Moxom
    Participant

    Thanks Al.The Spanish bike belongs to an English friend of a well regarded Trident expert in the UK so there’s no problem with fraud.

    With so few Hurricanes coming up for sale it’s difficult to judge what’s a good deal and what’s not.The only bike I’ve so far seen in the flesh is the Verralls bike which reassuringly is at a reputable dealership but appears to have A75 forks and no paperwork.The keys and paperwork were stolen from the Verrall’s owner’s car.

    I spotted an add in Old Bike Mart last week for an American Hurricane for $16,000.This to my mind had “too good to be true”written all over it.

    Valuing Hurricanes is hard.Last year they seemed to be fetching £20,000 or so,this year the asking prices are nearer £30,000.I haven’t spotted any at auction in order to get a better idea of the current values.

    I’ll try to be patient!

    • #8297

      Alan Hesslewood
      Participant

      Hi Robert, the Spanish bike sounds like a possibility then, the American one will be a scam. I wouldn’t be put off by the UK bike having standard length Rocket 3 fork stanchions as they are relatively easy to change and a Hurricane is only a Rocket 3 in a posh frock anyhows. In fact it may be a good thing unless you are quite tall as the 2 inch longer Hurricane stanchions make the bike quite lofty but they really should obtain replacement documents and keys before trying to sell the bike. As for prices, I paid £22k for mine recently,, it’s a user rather than a show bike and is slightly devalued by not having the original wheel rims but £25k is plenty for a good one, dealers will of course always want more and can ask what they like but probably won’t get it. It’s always worth asking around at shows rally’s and meets.

      Good luck, Al.

  • #8295
    timothy rendall
    timothy rendall
    Participant

    You could always give up on buying a Fake Triumph and buy a real Trident , A really late T150v, ha ha ha ha !

  • #8296

    Robert Moxom
    Participant

    I did spend a long time yesterday looking at the T150V for sale at the Stafford Bonhams auction later this month.Quite tempting.

  • #8300
    timothy rendall
    timothy rendall
    Participant

    If it’s a very lat one it will have an frame / engine number of NK or PK I’d say the later the better. I did try and find it on the web but didn’t see it?

     

  • #8301

    Robert Moxom
    Participant

    Timothy,

    The T150V is in the Bonham’s auction list but it’s nearer the end than the beginning.Go to the end and work back if you can.

    I’m a sucker for the chromed cases, hubs and chain guard.Not sure about chroming the carbs though ! I’d have to re-paint the tank and side panels as they don’t suit my taste either.High compression pistons also worry me.

    Probably easier to make an offer on that Hurricane.

    Alan, the owner of the Spanish bike doesn’t want to sell.The Verralls bike is not showroom condition despite how good it looks on the web.

    I am tall,6ft 3in , but the bike seemed roomy enough when I sat on it. I agree that £25,000 with keys and documents and subject to Timothy’s once over seems right.

    I’ll make that offer this afternoon and let you know how I get on.

  • #8302

    Robert Moxom
    Participant

    Offer made.It’s getting exciting !I mentioned the forks.

    Verralls will speak to their Hurricane expert to see if any Hurricanes were suppled with Rocket 3 forks.

  • #8303

    Alan Hesslewood
    Participant

    I’m sure someone not as tall as you will have previously changed the stanchions to suit themselves.

    Good luck, Al.

  • #8305
    timothy rendall
    timothy rendall
    Participant

    Now i’ve seen the Trident i’d say ‘NO’ well not for what they want for it! But it looks like your going for the X75 now so let us now how it’s going 🙂

     

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